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. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. t parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for the president's health care law, not because of the actual law, bse it criticized the law. the gang from forbes is going to explain the top of the hour, up next, did any of you see this? oh! oh! >> apparently these guys just found out that they could get fined for eating while driving. is nothing sacred? >> >> driving and eating, hey, the a city i south dakota fine people eating behind the wheel. >> charles, you say it has to go? >> pretty soon we'll be fined for driving while driving. and it's a way to get money, ridiculs. >> neil: this is one town that won'tee cavuto passing through soon. thank you. ben, what do you thinof it? >> cooking while driving. (laughter) a
. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. t parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for the president's health care law, not because of...
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the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on the issues. 60% according to a new politi politico/george washington university poll believes the top should have an increase in taxes. fighting the public and appear to be ideological doesn't seem to work. certainly didn't in terms of knocking president obama off. >> one thing that also didn't work in 2011 was the president ab do kating the role to nancy pelosi and harry reid. this time around, maybe because he feels he has the mandate, he's doing the negotiations straight on with boehner which i think leads to a better resu
the president won re-election. this was not something that -- may have hurt the economy and something republicans blamed for. look at the numbers. terrible. not just only as a party but particularly in congress right now. you know, this is not -- this is not a long-term winning game i don't think for republicans to hold up every agreement claiming leverage where they don't have it. i think they need to find in order to do better areas they have got more public support than they seem to have on...
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and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for the president's health care law, not because of the actual law, because it criticized the law. the gang from forbes is going to explain the top of the hour, up next, did any of you see this? >> oh! oh! >> apparently these guys just found out that they could get fined for eating while driving. is nothing sacred? having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. > >> coming down and p
and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of that since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their slow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company...
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any time you lose an election or the national party loses an election, we say what are we going to do to change? as a party we've got to actually talk about what we believe in in a way the people actually want to listen and hear it. as opposed to being the party of angry people. i think the last election it seemed like most republicans were just mad about being conservative. there was no positive message about what that meant for hispanics or what that meant for the people that were unemployed. it was just we seemed to be this poster boy of angry. i think as we kind of move forward and we talk about who the next leader is, i think that leader's going to be emerged as somebody that can talk about a positive message of what conservative values mean to this country. >> monday morning power panel. chip saltsman, jaime harrison, and carrie brown. >>> the big buzz. in hillary land and beyond. would she be unbeatable in 2016? would there be stumbling blocks on her potential road to the white house? jody cantor joins me next. >>> plus, two deejays lose their show after their hoax on the hospi
any time you lose an election or the national party loses an election, we say what are we going to do to change? as a party we've got to actually talk about what we believe in in a way the people actually want to listen and hear it. as opposed to being the party of angry people. i think the last election it seemed like most republicans were just mad about being conservative. there was no positive message about what that meant for hispanics or what that meant for the people that were unemployed....
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had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy right to the edge of the fiscal cliff. >> greta: with us is co-host of the five, greg gutfeld. he has a new book out, the joy of hate. he's been on a road trip having a book tour, so he has been talking to lots of people and they have been talking to him. so we want to know. are americans frustrated by the way government is not working, or, greg, are do they think the government is working. >> i've got to tell you. this was the best week of my life. i've never met so many generous, happy people. these are people that drove hours
had the election. the president was clear in the campaign that he was advocating and fighting for the middle income tax cuts. >> tax cuts. the whole premise of tax cuts is going to be blamed for all of this economic mess. >> this is a moment of truth. the clock is ticking, christmas it coming, the goose is getting fat. in many homes across america, it's a very, very lean time. >> the reports indicate that the president has adopted a deliberate strategy to slow walk our economy...
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we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his terms. after the private grand bargain negotiations in the summer of 2011, they concluded they weren't simply going to do it behind closed doors with republicans. president went out and campaigned. he hammered republicans beginning in the fall of 2011. he won the election and he was trying to keep the pressure on to get them to bargain. >> all right, john har wood, thank you very much. >> let's stay in washington but capitol hill now, keeping a close eye on the negotiations, among the key congressional leaders. what the update, amman? >> well, there is total radio silence about the meeting between boehner and obama at the choice yesterday. we are told to expect that boehner will brief top republican leaders
we just had an election all about this. why does not white house figure that these kinds of appearances are helpful when both sides positions are pretty well locked in already? >> because this president and this white house have concluded that public pressure is what will make republicans bargain with him and deal on his terms. after the private grand bargain negotiations in the summer of 2011, they concluded they weren't simply going to do it behind closed doors with republicans....
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remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he probably has a stronger hand given that republicans feel like they have to do something that he's wanted to do. but, remember, the president had his chance. he promised to do immigration reform in the first year of his first term. and he didn't do it. and he didn't do it when he had all democratic control. so he could have done it. he chose not to do it. so he's under a lot of pressure because he made that same promise again this election. there's a lot of hispanic leaders saying wait a second. you made that promise last time. you broke it. you made it this time. are you going to break it again
remember, the elect rat in an offyear election tends to be older and tends to be whiter. these guys are all about survival. they're not going to do anything that they think will make it more likely that someone more conservative than themselves would challenge them in a primary. for them it is about survival. >> what about the risks on the other side? are there risks for president obama in all of this? >> there's risk. you look at immigration, i tend to agree with democrats that he...
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are people overwhelmingly supported him in the election. not just that, but why not? gerri: quid pro quo, bring home the bacon. very controversial. we are going to have one out in just a moment. but first, it could be a day of reckoning lawmakers in michigan considering changing the status to a right to work state, giving workers the freedom to opt out of paying union dues. we have the labor policy director for the mackinac center for labor policy. tell me what it is you're trying to do with this legislation. >> there are rumors that michigan can become the 24th rights work state in the nation. he gives workers the ability to choose whether or not to pay a union and without rights or protections, they can actually get the worker fired in a union if they choose not to gerri: i understand there are some five groups of unions to protest what you're trying to do. what you make of that? >> they are protesting what they think may be an imminent right to work bill introduced in michigan's capital in lansing. gerri: lets get what we always talk about on the show. that is the
are people overwhelmingly supported him in the election. not just that, but why not? gerri: quid pro quo, bring home the bacon. very controversial. we are going to have one out in just a moment. but first, it could be a day of reckoning lawmakers in michigan considering changing the status to a right to work state, giving workers the freedom to opt out of paying union dues. we have the labor policy director for the mackinac center for labor policy. tell me what it is you're trying to do with...
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this is a device i have issue after the election. we had a ballot proposal that brought up a lot of labor issues. this is one that continued. it's a device i have issue. it's my position let's take leadership and address it in a positive way to starched up for the worker and be preworker and let's move forward, get it behind us and continue the reinvention of michigan about more and better jobs and a future for our kids. >> in terms. reinventing michigan, let me just zero in on one city in your state, detroit, 18.9% unemployment which is absolutely deplorable for the people of detroit. what do you intend to do or what can you do? what can the state do to try to help the city? one city council men last night said as a quid pro quo she wants the president to bail them out. what do you plan to do about detroit? >> we are going to continue working with the city. we did a consent agreement with them earlier this year that called for a number of actions to happen because we do need better services for the citizens of detroit. they deserve
this is a device i have issue after the election. we had a ballot proposal that brought up a lot of labor issues. this is one that continued. it's a device i have issue. it's my position let's take leadership and address it in a positive way to starched up for the worker and be preworker and let's move forward, get it behind us and continue the reinvention of michigan about more and better jobs and a future for our kids. >> in terms. reinventing michigan, let me just zero in on one city...
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there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a better place to handle your legal needs. maybe you have questions about incorporating a business you'd like to start. or questions about protecting your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like to find the right attorney to help guide you along, answer any questions and offer advice. with an "a" rating from the better business bureau legalzoom helps you get personalized and affordable legal protection. in most states, a legal plan attorney is available with every personalized document to answer any questions. get started at legalzoom.com today. and now you're protected. pre
there was an election on saturday. we'll tell you -- remind you where it was. plus, mitt romney took a ringside seat for a post election bout watching a member of congress fight. we'll tell you where that person is a member of congress. >>> a guy who knows how to throw a punch announced he's coming to washington. how many u.s. presidents also served as secretary of state? and who was the last one? [ male announcer ] where do you turn for legal matters? at legalzoom, we've created a...
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that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the last number of years. the vice president is also extremely well liked, well known throughout the democratic party, and as a primary candidate, if that was his choice, he would be also strong, but there are a lot of number of other governors and other elected officials that are coming up that i think will want to be involved in the next presidential election, but it is a long way out, and we ought to at least get through the holiday season and enjoy life a little more than talking about campaigns again. >> well, at the same time, there is a down side because if she wants to keep her options open
that is, after a tough election, you move on to do what's right for the country, and she's done that. i don't think there's any limit to her potential, and that's going without saying based upon what she's succeeded at. on the other hand, you know, this is a very personal decision, as she knows better than anyone, because she's been through it, and she's lived the life very advise ivisible, very. i think she deserves time to reflect on things and enjoy life more than she's been able to over the...
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republican party and offers some protection for democrats for raising taxes in the next congressional election. >> absolutely. breaking the republican party would be a benefit to this plan, also, i don't think barack obama minds in the tax rates go up on the middle income people as well. >> paul: he's promised-- you're saying-- >> the ultimate win is to have all of that new revenue for the government and being able to blame it on the republicans. >> paul: wait a minute, if you're saying we go over the cliff, nothing happens in december, come january the president will not turn around and insist on the middle class portion of in tax? >> i think if he was allowed to say, look, republicans wouldn't come along on this. >> paul: wait, wait, hold, hold. 20 million people will be hit-- more people would be hit by the alternative minimum tax, for example, if nothing happens. that's, that, and you know where the taxpayers are, james, i hate to tell you they're in your state, in new jersey, connecticut and in new york, and they're in california and illinois. a lot of places where democrats govern, becau
republican party and offers some protection for democrats for raising taxes in the next congressional election. >> absolutely. breaking the republican party would be a benefit to this plan, also, i don't think barack obama minds in the tax rates go up on the middle income people as well. >> paul: he's promised-- you're saying-- >> the ultimate win is to have all of that new revenue for the government and being able to blame it on the republicans. >> paul: wait a minute,...
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they got elected. you got beat. >> greg: i know. >> bob: just accept it. live with it. >> bob: i accept it. but it's sad when you get a joke in there. i don't really give a damn. it makes, it diminishes the white house. i don't know. >> dana: that song drives me in sane. it didn't know what it meant. it couldn't understand it. then i was reading about the gangnam style. it put two to two together. in 2002 and 2003 was a deeply horrified south korean public about one of their aid worker workers. in iraq who had been taken hostage. and was seeking freedom. they were holding that hostage. south koreans were helpful to the americans and the iraq war. nibble his right to, press himself. i don't -- i believe in his right to express himself but i don't think anybody at the white house would have gone back to look at what he said in 2002, 2003. because only thing people care about is that thing he is doing there. >> eric: there was a petition on the white house website. i guess you are allowed to petition to white house website. but they pulled that down the day b
they got elected. you got beat. >> greg: i know. >> bob: just accept it. live with it. >> bob: i accept it. but it's sad when you get a joke in there. i don't really give a damn. it makes, it diminishes the white house. i don't know. >> dana: that song drives me in sane. it didn't know what it meant. it couldn't understand it. then i was reading about the gangnam style. it put two to two together. in 2002 and 2003 was a deeply horrified south korean public about one of...
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republican party and offers some protection for democrats for raising taxes in the next congressional election. >> absolutely. breaking the republican party would be a benefit to this plan, also, i don't think barack obama minds in the tax rates go up on the middle income people as well. >> paul: he's promised-- you're saying-- >> the ultimate win is to have all of that new revenue for the government and being able to blame it on the republicans. >> paul: wait a minute, if you're saying we go over the cliff, nothing happens in december, come january the president will not turn around and insist on andis ... >> well, things in the middle east went from bad to worse this week with reports to the syrian military is preparing temp cal weapons that could be used against its own people, it's awaiting final orders from president assad. this as protesters clash with supporters of mohammed morsi outside the presidential palace in cairo egypt. in that country's largest confrontation since the uprising of hosni mubarak. we're back with daniel henninger and editorial board member matt comiskey. so, bret.
republican party and offers some protection for democrats for raising taxes in the next congressional election. >> absolutely. breaking the republican party would be a benefit to this plan, also, i don't think barack obama minds in the tax rates go up on the middle income people as well. >> paul: he's promised-- you're saying-- >> the ultimate win is to have all of that new revenue for the government and being able to blame it on the republicans. >> paul: wait a minute,...
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there is a high from election? but this with the consumer confidence plunging how do you make sense of it so soon after the elections? >> it was a miserable election. wasn't it. the whole time we had a small conversation. the president ran a pretty negative campaign and didn't win a mandate on big stuff. he did talk about his desire to increase taxes which may go to melissa's point. but after an elect like this. there isn't that goodwill. there isn't that kind of national coming together that you might have seen for, say, bill clinton or ronald reagan and their reelection. people are pretty bummed out. alisyn: tell us what the larger issue is. does this mean people won't be spending as much on christmas gifts in how do it translate to what it means to the economy? >> it's always hard to reconcile how people feel and how they act. we know you may feel like you shouldn't spend a lot of money but when push comes to showf end up buying an extra gift. soy don't think it means christmas is doomed. but like you were sayin
there is a high from election? but this with the consumer confidence plunging how do you make sense of it so soon after the elections? >> it was a miserable election. wasn't it. the whole time we had a small conversation. the president ran a pretty negative campaign and didn't win a mandate on big stuff. he did talk about his desire to increase taxes which may go to melissa's point. but after an elect like this. there isn't that goodwill. there isn't that kind of national coming together...
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you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when you do it. then the mid-term elections will roll around and they'll be in great shape. the republicans will get voted in. another plan. you got spending up here, revenue down here. we got to narrow that gachlt they should make it clear to the democrats, pick any number of revenue increase you want. remember the spending cuts number has to be greater. let's see them live with that. >> that's the thing, mark. just to follow up on that. such an important point. everyone is obsessed with the taxes. taxes are very important. no one is talking about spending cuts. no one is
you won the election, mr. obama. we'll get the middle class tax cuts. we'll get the upper class tax hikes. get the capital gain and the dividends and the estates. you can only tax hike. that's what senator rand paul said last night. i'm starting to think that's the only way out. otherwise we're going into january, february,march and whatever. >> i think that's the best solution. it's a great chess move. let them do whatever they want and let's test the results. let's see what happens when...
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and the results of the election. >> and so, i think it's a foregone conclusion that tax rates for the wealthiest of americans are going up and as a pra practical matter, i don't understand why the gop doesn't agree to that sooner rather than later and the onus on the white house to give something relative to spending cuts and entitlement reforms. i think people want compromise and a bigger deal than just taxes going up for those 2% and doesn't get us where we need to go. >> david, let's play what alan simpson had to say regarding the growth. that's the overall end game here. growing the economy and not let lawmakers and such to posture before us. let's play it. >> not a single economist who talked to us in our hearings said we can't grow our way out of this with double digit growth for 20 years. you can't cut spending your way out of this baby or you ruin a very fragile economy and an emerge, you know, nation and can't tax your way out of this baby. this is impossible. >> so it is a combination of things and what do you make of the fact that in the approach perhaps to find some place
and the results of the election. >> and so, i think it's a foregone conclusion that tax rates for the wealthiest of americans are going up and as a pra practical matter, i don't understand why the gop doesn't agree to that sooner rather than later and the onus on the white house to give something relative to spending cuts and entitlement reforms. i think people want compromise and a bigger deal than just taxes going up for those 2% and doesn't get us where we need to go. >> david,...
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after a democratic election. that's what this is all about. >> ifill: let me talk to state senator prose about that. how do you respond to this idea that there's no need for a law like this? >> i think when you look at the issue of right to work or freedom to work you really have to ask the question whether or not that individual is buying into a system that they care to be a part of, that they really choose to be a part of. do they have the ability to do so or are they coerced into doing so in the process? frankly when you look at the issues surrounding this particular question, you cannot operate in a vacuum. you have to recognize the fact that states like indiana, that border our state of michigan, is the 23rd state. michigan would be the 24th state. this isn't a new discussion nationwide. 24 states in the next couple of days will be the right-to-work states that will put us in a better position for worker freedom where they have the chance to actually choose to participate without it being compelled to do so.
after a democratic election. that's what this is all about. >> ifill: let me talk to state senator prose about that. how do you respond to this idea that there's no need for a law like this? >> i think when you look at the issue of right to work or freedom to work you really have to ask the question whether or not that individual is buying into a system that they care to be a part of, that they really choose to be a part of. do they have the ability to do so or are they coerced into...
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in fact, he says he's willing to spend even more money in the next election. so the courting begins. at a recent vent for republican governors, he met with louisiana's bobby jindal. it should be noted, money doesn't always buy victories. $150 million adelson donated, these groups across the country, only one senator dean hellor of nevada actually won his race. >> look at that. senator marco rubio is taking a second crack at science. he's trying again. he's clarifying an answer he gave gq last month when asked about the age of the earth. rubio took some grief for saying in part he was not qualified to answer. >> he's not a scientists, man. >> calling it one of life's great mysteries. >> that and like why is hair growing on my knuckles. >> we should ask him. at a breakfast yesterday, mark allen gave the senator a chance to explain his answer. >> so how old do you think the earth is? >> let me tell you the answer i gave. the answer i gave was trying to make the same point the president made a few years ago. that is there is no scientific debate on the age of the
in fact, he says he's willing to spend even more money in the next election. so the courting begins. at a recent vent for republican governors, he met with louisiana's bobby jindal. it should be noted, money doesn't always buy victories. $150 million adelson donated, these groups across the country, only one senator dean hellor of nevada actually won his race. >> look at that. senator marco rubio is taking a second crack at science. he's trying again. he's clarifying an answer he gave gq...
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bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton going all the way back to that point, how much government do we want or not want. but on an optimistic note, we always seem to manage to get beyond this. >> congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. ac, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ bp has paid overthe people of bp twenty-threeitment to the gulf. billion dol
bush was elected and liberal democrats saying, oh, my gosh, we're never going to win another election, i always caution people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a come back, they can win in 2014 and 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principles, in my view that would be the worst thing to do. >> the tea party has said, look, we're for smaller government, less government interference. >> we have this historical battle between thomas jefferson and alexander...
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and before the election, unformer. two admistrations that d that. everyone wants a bailout and the president's going to get your votes one way or the other. question is coming up more broadly, right now new jersey and an other of states getting a huge one bause it was a cast catastrophe. >> and if it's beyond your control and-- >> the case is we ved for you, we get bailout. >> and on the other side, detroit is in a mui-decade collapse that is beyond the scope, it's almt like a hurricane. and i'm not saying it's totally iane for nem to get a disproportionate amount-- >> gary b, you live in maryland, should you and maryland be paying for what detroit or michigan is deciding to do with unions and pensions and how they got themselves in this mess in t first ace? >> exactly, brenda. i kind of agree with jonas. i'm not sure i'd be so quick bail out cities with national catastrophes. they decided to live there and build there. but jonas it right, a lot of tiesike detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like govern
and before the election, unformer. two admistrations that d that. everyone wants a bailout and the president's going to get your votes one way or the other. question is coming up more broadly, right now new jersey and an other of states getting a huge one bause it was a cast catastrophe. >> and if it's beyond your control and-- >> the case is we ved for you, we get bailout. >> and on the other side, detroit is in a mui-decade collapse that is beyond the scope, it's almt like a...
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bush was elected. i always caution, you know, people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a comeback. they can win in 2014, 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principle ps. >> mark, you guest the last word, the final 15 seconds. tea party, less government interferen interference, are those sorts of ideas fading? >> no. i think that's part of the experience. we have this constant historical batter going all the way back to that point. how much government do we want or don't want and i think this is just part of that battle. i know on an only optimistic vote we always find a way to resolve this and come up with a right solution. >> thank you guys so much for joining me. congress is busy at work and just not on the fiscal cliff. if you are one of the millions of men who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number one prescribed testosterone replacement therapy. it rai
bush was elected. i always caution, you know, people are conservative like me, look, republicans can make a comeback. they can win in 2014, 16. you shouldn't abandon your basic principle ps. >> mark, you guest the last word, the final 15 seconds. tea party, less government interferen interference, are those sorts of ideas fading? >> no. i think that's part of the experience. we have this constant historical batter going all the way back to that point. how much government do we want...
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he didn't win the election. he certainly did have a plan. >> it is not one that romney backed really. stuart: that's true. i do see a little drift here, a little drift here. at least you're prepared to admit that the president should put forward a reform plan. so let's move on to the issue of tax rates. >> okay. stuart: do you think the president is right to absolutely insist on tax rate increases? he won't tolerate reductions in deductions. he won't do that. no, it must be tax rates. will you defend that? >> well, i think he has the upper hand in the sense that seen, americans say they support raising taxes on the wealthy, so i think he feels that he has a mandate on that issue. look, i feel if the republicans are willing to make up that revenue another way, he should be open to that. i don't think it has to come from raising taxes. it could come -- stuart: the republicans have put forward a plan to raise 800 billion dollars over ten years. >> right. stuart: that's not by raising rates. that's by restricting de
he didn't win the election. he certainly did have a plan. >> it is not one that romney backed really. stuart: that's true. i do see a little drift here, a little drift here. at least you're prepared to admit that the president should put forward a reform plan. so let's move on to the issue of tax rates. >> okay. stuart: do you think the president is right to absolutely insist on tax rate increases? he won't tolerate reductions in deductions. he won't do that. no, it must be tax...
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it is a massive totalitarian state, grabbing power, and it gives its parliament elections but in power, and it does not like disagreement and it is against opposition, and, in fact, there are move moves afoot to stay any speaking against the european is a legal on fence and it is founded upon deceit and corruption. why did the european union need 2,000 secret bank accounts if it wasn't bribing politicians all over the place? grabbing totalitarian similar to the soviet union but the neighbors now are frighten and norway has given it a totally undeserved peace prize which is staggering. >>neil: staggering to me as well, the former u.k. parliament member. he calls it like he sees them. and now some american folly pointing fingers this washington over a deal that is not happening and angry republicans have had it with their own leader and are more than just rumbleing. >>neil: and now, they fear they did not get that much done at the meeting, and we are working on getting president obama and speaker boehner to sit down and hash it out. and now time for a friendly super hero to get moving. >
it is a massive totalitarian state, grabbing power, and it gives its parliament elections but in power, and it does not like disagreement and it is against opposition, and, in fact, there are move moves afoot to stay any speaking against the european is a legal on fence and it is founded upon deceit and corruption. why did the european union need 2,000 secret bank accounts if it wasn't bribing politicians all over the place? grabbing totalitarian similar to the soviet union but the neighbors...
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and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of tt since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their ow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company of red lobster, filing a fight for e president's health care law, not becse of the actual law, becauset criticized the law. the gang from forbes is going to explain the top of the hour, up next, did any of you see this? oh!oh! >> apparently theseuys just found o that they could get fine for eating while dving. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz you've always wished for, now for an exceptional price. [ santa ] ho, ho, hoho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 glk35
and i think that they're certainly trying to leverage off of tt since the election. >> well, they-- that was one of many, many, many factors. >> absolutely. >> and after the election and the fact is, as we all agree, the private sector union is a dying animal and that they only can survive if they can thoroughly control the public sector and this is just another example of their ow, painful death. >> on that upbeat note. i want you to look at this. the parent company of...
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bob, what will it take for the party to learn the lessons of this election? >> they've got to get past the immediate crisis in terms of the fiscal cliff. no matter what is true, no matter what he says, john boehner is going to have to sound like he's resistant and putting up a fight but at the end of the day he's going to have to make a deal that is going to go by those term. and then we're going to go on to the debt ceiling and if the republican party in the house crashes this economy and crashes the markets by refusing to extend the debt ceiling, the business community is going to go nuts. and, b, this will become the party of recession, tax rates for the top, hating social security, and hating medicare. that's a recipe for long-term political irrelevance. >> now, alicia, let me give you a news flash that came in. conservative blogger erick erickson is up with a petition to have john boehner fired. it says, quote, speaker boehner is undercutting conservative principles by putting forth a liberal compromise of raising taxes or closing loopholes on our nation
bob, what will it take for the party to learn the lessons of this election? >> they've got to get past the immediate crisis in terms of the fiscal cliff. no matter what is true, no matter what he says, john boehner is going to have to sound like he's resistant and putting up a fight but at the end of the day he's going to have to make a deal that is going to go by those term. and then we're going to go on to the debt ceiling and if the republican party in the house crashes this economy...
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but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads to hide his support for obama care, which cuts medicare by $500 billion. >> that was 2010. fast forward to this year's election and the same principle carries through. each side tried to convince voters that the other guy wanted to take the hatchet to medicare. >> the biggest, coldest power play of all in obama care came at the expense of the elderly. $716 billion, funneled out of medicare by president obama >> my plan's already extended medicare by nearly a decade. their plan ends medicare as we know it. >> on medicare, for current retirees, he's cutting is $716 billion from the program. i can't underst
but, of course, most of the actual republicans who were actually elected back then were elected because they ran ads like this. >> congressman brad ellsworth said he would protect our seniors. but when he got to washington, congressman ellsworth voted for the largest cuts in medicare history, over $500 billion. robin carnahan supports $500 billion in medicare cuts, hurting seniors most. rand paul doesn't support higher medicare deductibles for seniors. conway distracts with negative ads...
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he got elected president, not king. he is not king. he is president. martha: are you saying that republicans are willing to go to 39.6% back to that rate but the place where they will hold the line is on the debt ceiling issue. >> rates go up no matter what we do. there needs to be revenue component of any big deal. i think capping deductions is better than raising rates. there will come a day in february and march where we have to raise the debt ceiling by trillions of dollars. we're 16 trillion in debt. is it responsible to keep borrowing money and never address why you're in debt to begin with. long-term debt is baby boomers retiring putting pressure on medicare, medicaid and social security. i hope my party will look out for the country and not just the party itself and push the president to do something it has never done before, lead in bipartisan way. martha: white house said they came up with a trillion dollars in cuts. >> that is joke. that is a joke. have you seen any market reaction to their plan? they do nothing to keep medicare and medicaid
he got elected president, not king. he is not king. he is president. martha: are you saying that republicans are willing to go to 39.6% back to that rate but the place where they will hold the line is on the debt ceiling issue. >> rates go up no matter what we do. there needs to be revenue component of any big deal. i think capping deductions is better than raising rates. there will come a day in february and march where we have to raise the debt ceiling by trillions of dollars. we're 16...
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elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i think we all agree about conseqnces. certainly. your thoughts on this? does it look to you right now like we are going to avoid this fiscal cliff? the president, but the brilliant idea? it's interesting how he does this. he initiates an ultmatum and the goes passive aggressive on everyone and withdraws from the field. it's really a bizarre and intriguing strategy which obviously has completely confounded republican leaders. >> yes, and the polls show that the american people are prud and -- probably going to blend republicans now matter what happen. lou: slightly. >> therefore i think that is what you're seeing with president obama'sttitude here. lou: does irritate you to think that they are going to blame the republicans denied republicans are basical saying, you know, we are going to step back because you're going to blame us instead of coming up with a answer, a rejoinder to the president's going after them. and they don't have a strategy. they don't have a message. they don't want anybody to think bay of them. >> he
elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i think we all agree about conseqnces. certainly. your thoughts on this? does it look to you right now like we are going to avoid this fiscal cliff? the president, but the brilliant idea? it's interesting how he does this. he initiates an ultmatum and the goes passive aggressive on everyone and withdraws from the field. it's really a bizarre and intriguing strategy which obviously has completely confounded republican leaders. >> yes,...
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again our two fiscal cliff portfolios for the first time since the election of november 6th, they are betting we will not go over the fiscal cliff interestingly enough. right now the dow up just 15 points as we head towards the close. much more to come on the second hour of "closing bell." >>> and it's that time of day. it's 4:00 p.m. here on wall street. maria will be back in the seat tomorrow. as the clock winds down to the fiscal cliff deadline, this is how we're finishing on wall street. at this stage it looks like we got a gain of only 14 points for the dow. obviously we were higher than that, not much more but were higher earlier in the day. the nasdaq up by only eight points and the s&p finishing up by just a trickle of positive. well, ticktock. the market is closed. seems to be waiting once again for some clear signal on what's going to happen with regards to the fiscal cliff. how can you make money in the final trading sessions of the year amongst all this uncertainty? >> we have definite answers coming with our panel. back with us nathan bachrach from the financial network.
again our two fiscal cliff portfolios for the first time since the election of november 6th, they are betting we will not go over the fiscal cliff interestingly enough. right now the dow up just 15 points as we head towards the close. much more to come on the second hour of "closing bell." >>> and it's that time of day. it's 4:00 p.m. here on wall street. maria will be back in the seat tomorrow. as the clock winds down to the fiscal cliff deadline, this is how we're finishing...
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he thinks he won the election. and now he can use the crisis over the fiscal cliff to force republicans to go against the position they have had for 20 years. like bush senior with read my lips. senly create a civil war among republicans. the fact that someone here said that the ball is in the president's court. he is holding the ball, not sevenning it. they haven't -- not sevenning it. they haven't offered anything. mcconnell laughed at the offer because it was so outrageous and he wants everything and republican offers nothing in the reduction in entitlements or discretionary spending. they walk away and they won't, i assure you they are not going to offer anything. they will try to run out the clock, because what they can see on the republican side is panic, and defections. even though there are stories about unity in the house. without unity the republicans will crack. >> you always said that the republicans need to stop giving things away. and if we are going to go over the fiscal cliff make sure that it's pre
he thinks he won the election. and now he can use the crisis over the fiscal cliff to force republicans to go against the position they have had for 20 years. like bush senior with read my lips. senly create a civil war among republicans. the fact that someone here said that the ball is in the president's court. he is holding the ball, not sevenning it. they haven't -- not sevenning it. they haven't offered anything. mcconnell laughed at the offer because it was so outrageous and he wants...
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month since the election came to an end. it is now safe for you to turn your television is back on. all the scary political ads are off the air. you can answer your phone again. no one is calling you in the middle of dinner asking for your support. i have to admit. there is one part of the campaign i miss. it is a great excuse for me to get out of washington and comes to town like this and talk to people who work so hard every day looking out for their families and communities in just having a conversation about what kind of country we want to be. what kind of country do we want to leave behind for our kids. ultimately, that is what this is about. i believe and i have been saying this not just for the last six months or year but ever since i got into public office. i believe america only succeed in thrive so we have a growing middle class. that is let -- succeeds and thrives when we have a great middle class. we thrive when everybody who works hard has a chance to get ahead. they can get a job that pays the bills. they have
month since the election came to an end. it is now safe for you to turn your television is back on. all the scary political ads are off the air. you can answer your phone again. no one is calling you in the middle of dinner asking for your support. i have to admit. there is one part of the campaign i miss. it is a great excuse for me to get out of washington and comes to town like this and talk to people who work so hard every day looking out for their families and communities in just having a...
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that was before the election. and i just holding the ground is going to be important, no question about that. i get a sense the democrats are unified. but going over the cliff, that affects the constituents big time. correct? >> how do you hold that together? >> there's unanimity that july 25th, we passed tax cuts for the 98% to continue this tax policy that they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do it by january 1st, we're going to keep passing tax cuts for the middle class. if they keep saying no, eventually they won't because the public pressure will be on them they need to step up. they have to quit protecting. they do everything in the name of the wealthy. >> okay. sherrod brown, stay with us. i appreciate it. >>> it looks like senator-elect elizabeth warren, a champion of financial reform, will get a spot on the banking committee. >>> and senator john mccain hints he might favor filibuster reform. debbie stabenow is here on
that was before the election. and i just holding the ground is going to be important, no question about that. i get a sense the democrats are unified. but going over the cliff, that affects the constituents big time. correct? >> how do you hold that together? >> there's unanimity that july 25th, we passed tax cuts for the 98% to continue this tax policy that they get an average tax cut meaning if it expires, their taxes go up. republicans know that. republicans know if they don't do...